More TOO Follies

More. In all cases, emphasis added.

In contrast to the lies being written about me at TOO comments, the following pieces of information are derived from the MacDonald interview as well as other sources.

He entered the University of Wisconsin–Madison as a philosophy major and became involved in the anti-war movement, which brought him into contact with Jewish student activists.

Between 1970 and 1974, he worked towards becoming a jazz pianist, spending two years in Jamaica, where he taught high school.

And then you have this:

... I soon became a radical myself. A social psychologist would probably explain it as conforming to a new set of social norms—when in Rome, do as the Romans do. In some ways I was probably prepared for the plunge into radicalism. I had been politically liberal, a Democrat, and a strong supporter of the Civil Rights Movements. 

Thus:

• 1. While White American soldiers were dying in the jungles of Vietnam, MacDonald was in college, collaborating with Jews, as a junior partner, in leftist anti-war activism.
• 2. While White American children were being racially terrorized in American public schools, MacDonald went away to teach Negroes in Jamaica.  And he was “a strong supporter of the Civil Rights Movements” – the very type of social activism that resulted in those White children being terrorized in the first place.  First you help make life a living hell for White children, and then you run off to Jamaica to coddle Negroes.

What value judgments readers make about those informational items are up to all of you. 

TOO comment:

Ryan H.says:

July 29, 2022 at 3:45 pm

Sallis is Italian-American and has been active for a long time online. Something I’ve noticed among many from a Southern European background involved in hard right and racialist politics is that they are very touchy and wary about anything that smacks of Northern European identity or self-determination. There seems to be a fear that it is explicitly or implicitly exclusionary of people like themselves, and also that since Northern European countries and societies are the leading element among European/White societies, it might put them lower on the totem pole. I think part of their motivation is to have a kind of egalitarian status within the European/White category, and something like northern European identity or consciousness may threaten that.

Sallis himself is very into futurism and technology and obviously modern science and technology are dominated and led by northern Europeans, while southern Europeans tend to be, if not behind, not really ahead of some non-whites like Orientals or Jews. So his futuristic, tech oriented vision and outlook requires piggy backing on Northern Europeans.

All nonsense. Being against anti-Southern European lies is not the same as being against "Northern European identity or self-determination."  And the rest is simply absurd ad hominem.  When are the High Trusters going to stop "piggy backing" on my defenses of Salterism (that their own co-ethnics attack in collaboration with non-White HBDers, supporting Racial Proximity Theory - attack Sallis and attack paradigms consistent with White interests, while groveling to non-Whites and their alien interests)?

A TOO comment

Harald E Brandtsays:

 July 30, 2022 at 6:17 am

Ted Sallis confuses, on the one hand, the scientifically observed gradient of individualism-collectivism, where the nordic countries are at an extrem, with, on the other hand, Nordicism thought of as an ideal or agenda. He appears to have become obsessed with, and insulted by, the fact that there are genetic differences between Swedes and Italians that have resulted in profound differences in cultural behavior. His attempts at explanations and refutations are muddy and nebulous.

Gaston from Gab responds to that thus:

Southern Europeans conscious of their heritage aren't "insulted by" the genetic differences between Swedes and Italians and the eventual differences in culture stemming from them, but are angered by the constant lies put foward by nordicists regarding their history and traits.

As it was back in the days of "scientific" nordicism (already debunked by most anthropologists back them, look up Coon regarding ancient Greeks, or the steppe homeland theory of IE speakers versus the north Germany homeland theory), a good chunk of racialist north Europeans repeats the same lies that ancient south Europe was akin to Sweden before getting mongrelised by slaves or that the ruling elites at least were northern European-like genetically, despite the fact that archeogenetics has debunked these fabrications.

I believe that HBD ought to be seen through the lenses of memetic warfare in the light of racial proximity theory, since what bothers southern Europeans isn't that northern Europeans "just celebrate their heritage and identity" but that they take whatever they think it's the epitome of western civilization (a civilization that, at least consciously, had its roots in the tip of southernmost Europe) and maximise it in north Europe and minimise it in south Europe, to such an extent that their image of southern Europeans is basically constructed as a negative of their idealised image of themselves; for example, not long ago it was der movement's shtick that Yamna/indo-europeans were hierarchical, hyper-individualistic violent sociopaths that laid waste to egalitarian, hive-minded colletivistic EEF hippies, and of course they inferred that since yamna ancestry peaks in north Europe then it's why they are (supposedly) hierarchical and individualistic and also better warriors than southern Europeans (especially southern Italians, constructed as the perfect opposite of the idealised version of north Europeans), now the HBD lies still stress "individualism" as the hallmark of the north but define it in such a way that it is actually hive-minded collectivism, egalitarianism and meekness that are hailed as the hallmark of the north, and of course south Europeans (of course especially southern Italians) are tribalistic, violent and anti-egalitarian (HBDers still depict them as "collectivistic" but their "collectivism" resembles more short-distance collectivism based on kinship ties with each such unit acting very "individualisticly", so to speak, when it regards the overall society stability).

Don't ask them about the two contradicting images for southern Europeans they just switched really recently (and still mixing them once in a while).

What the heck, this modus operandi is so blatant that many types I believe that southern Italians are the most lactose intolerant people in Europe, "because" northern Europeans are the least lactose tolerant and southern Italians are the least "nordic" people in Europe, when it doesn't seem the case.

I reply to that TOO comment thus:

1. "the scientifically observed gradient of individualism-collectivism, where the nordic countries are at an extrem..."

But they are not. How many times do I have to show the same data over and over again before the superior High Trusters can stop lying about the reality of ethnic "individualism-collectivism" in Europe? Can they stop "piggy backing" on my ability to find facts online that they themselves could find if they had a triple digit IQ?

2. "He appears to have become obsessed with, and insulted by, the fact that there are genetic differences between Swedes and Italians that have resulted in profound differences in cultural behavior."

Right...which is why I have been writing about population genetics and intra-European differences for years. Indeed, I just wrote a long refutation of MacDonald featuring Racial Proximity Theory that is essentially about explaining "genetic differences between Swedes and Italians that have resulted in profound differences in cultural behavior."

3. "His attempts at explanations and refutations are muddy and nebulous."

Specific examples?

Nordicism = constant lies and misrepresentations.