Italics on the March

At the end, a summary of the three pillars of “movement” stupidity.

I have previously written about last year’s paper on Ancient Roman genetics, which has also been discussed at Italianthro here.  As part of my own work, I mentioned the functional gene data, and Italianthro has a post showing the actual data here

So, I’ll briefly comment on that again.  Of course, one has to look at the actual sample points and not just the trend lines. Overall, it is quite clear that lactase persistence is a more recent introduction to the Italian genepool and that the Iron Age/Republic samples did not exhibit lactase persistence – here the samples and trend lines match well.  For eye color and skin pigmentation, overall it seems that those phenotypic traits have been relatively constant from the Iron Age/Republic era to modern Roman Italians – put another way, based on the available samples, starting with the Iron Age/Republic period, the fraction of blue eyes and light skin pigmentation was never higher than it is in modern times. Phenotypically, the Ancients and Moderns are similar for these metrics, except that the Moderns have more lactase persistence - it's the Moderns who are "more northern," not the reverse.

Readers of this blog know I am skeptical of many admixture studies given the typical lack of proper reference populations (see footnote below).  However, even if admixture studies may be sometimes flawed in an absolute sense (e.g., what are the ancestral components of population X), there can have value in a relative sense; e.g., how do populations X and Y compare with respect to whatever ancestral components are being studied – at least for unsupervised (*) admixture analyses. Thus, the admixture analyses in the supplemental section is of utility in the sense that it allows “admixture profiles” to be compared, so as to gauge how similar or dissimilar they are. There are not very big differences between any of the European-derived samples, but when comparing the admixture timelines (*) we can see that the various Roman/Italian samples over time are the most similar to each other, including the Moderns, compared and contrasted to other populations such as those from Northern Europe. The biggest difference within the Roman/Italian set is that the Imperial Period is decreased in WHG and Steppe compared to the others, but the overall patterns of relative similarity between Roman samples remain. And the contrasts to more northern populations remain. These contrasts are most obvious in the unsupervised admixture analysis as compared to the supervised (*), but can be observed in both. That’s all consistent with the PCA data that put the Ancient samples in the continuum of Modern “Mediterranean” genetics, overlapping from Northern Italy/Spain to Southern Italy/Sicily and to an extent Cyprus. And, as stated, the functional gene data are “Mediterranean” – thus, the data are internally consistent.

Der Movement’s paradigm of “Nordic Romans” being mongrelized by non-White slaves/migrants to produce modern “Mediterranean Italians” is refuted by these data.  With respect to functional genes the Ancients are no less “Mediterranean” than the Moderns, and with respect to lactase persistence, actually more so. The overall ancestry data support that. If anything, the long term trend, starting in Late Antiquity, was “mongrelization” with “Nordics” – which just happened to coincide with “the decline and fall of the Roman Empire” and its aftermath of declining living standards and the complete collapse of the Classical Civilization.  

Kemp weeps.  Interesting how this paper has been studiously ignored by Der Movement. You well know that if the data had shown that the Iron Age Republic samples were akin to Swedes, then Der Movement’s spontaneous ejaculations would have been like this.

Italianthro has been criticized thus:

This blog isn't much more than an ethnic-Mezzogiorno public relations effort.

Fair enough, but then that can be turned around to criticize Der Movement:

This “movement” isn't much more than an ethnic-Nordic public relations effort.

*Footnote

See this.

Ancestry estimates can be estimated more accurately in supervised analysis because there is less uncertainty in allele frequencies. Interpretation of results is simplified, and run times are shorter owing to the reduced number of parameters to estimate. Both the number of iterations until convergence and the computational complexity per iteration decrease. However, we caution that supervised analysis is only suitable when the reference individuals can be assigned to ancestral populations with certainty and ancestral populations are fairly homogeneous. For exploratory analyses, unsupervised analysis is more appropriate and therefore remains the default in ADMIXTURE.

Note that the potential problems with supervised analysis is consistent with my previous criticisms of admixture studies and commercial testing that invariably use supervised analysis with questionable reference populations. Also note that in the Rome paper the supervised analysis yields less informative data than the unsupervised analysis.

More retarded shilling for ethnonationalism.

What right has any Westerner to tell me that I am basically the same thing as a Serb, with minor linguistic differences?

Rewritten:

What right has any Turko-Albanian “Macedonian” to tell Sicilians that they have nothing to do with Italy and instead are Greco-Spaniards, with minor linguistic differences?

See how that works?  Maybe “brothers” having their own houses can mean that the brothers mind their own goddamned business with respect to the ethnic identity of others.

But that’s ethnoimperialism, you see, the real face of the ethnonationalist fraud. Indeed, ethnonationalism is a sham, a technic to atomize Europeans and allow ethnoimperialist elites to dictate ethnic identities to others, live in the nations of others, and treat other people’s nations as bordellos, sampling their women (or men, as the case may be).

Is the truth emerging?

THE CHINESE PEOPLE ARE WAGING A REMORSELESS WAR OF GENOCIDAL EXTERMINATION AGAINST HUMANITY.  IN RESPONSE, HUMANITY DOES NOTHING TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST THOSE VICIOUS, HATE-FILLED MURDERERS.  

Gee, I suppose we can inject bleach into folks’ lungs and then shove a UV light in there.  I seem to recall someone calling Trump a vulgar, ignorant buffoon back in 2016. I wonder who that was.  Oh, that’s right – Sallis, when the Alt Right was all literally worshipping their God Emperor.  But, hey, what does good judgment have to do with anything?  When you have an ultra-strict, ultra-rigid ethnic affirmative action program, merit and judgment count for nothing.

Naïve retardation.  Reality? Obvious reality that the triple digit IQ crowd well understand. Yet another example in an endless series of the mind numbing horrifically bad judgment of the inept Quota Queens.  Affirmative action is as affirmative action does.

Sometimes ridicule is the best medicine:

Martin Palm tree Heideggroyper

Congrats on getting Trump to tweet something. Yuge. Maybe if you get everyone to vote for him he’ll start monitoring the situation in his next term!

Don’t forget…Trump is a “sincere man of genuine greatness!” But, he’s “toast in 2020 no matter what he does”  because “he did nothing about immigration” but he’s great again because of an “immigration moratorium” but now “Kushner ruined it” but….

Greg is getting dizzy trying to remember his latest “take” on Trump.  Must be hard and all trying to to determine what Spencer “thinks” and then asserting the opposite.  

Speaking of bad judgment and of Spencer, how is the Alt Right’s favorite former Presidential candidate doing these days?  I seem to recall someone correctly identifying Yang has someone obsessed with promoting the interests of his own racial group.  You know, Sallis, as opposed to the Quota Queen losers moving back and forth between endorsements of Andy Eggroll, Princess Tulsi Coconut, and Sir Bernie Redjew (Bloomberg was getting some love there as well for the duration of his five minute campaign).  But, hey, let’s not be too hard on the Alt Right. It’s difficult to think straight when you have a Chinatrix’s strap-on rammed up your ass. Let’s not be too hard on Yang as well; after all, as a TROPICAL COLORED ANTI-ARCTIC NON-WHITE BIZARRE ALIEN he has to look after his own, in typically ethnocentric, White-hating, whining-about-racism TROPICAL COLORED fashion, right HBDers?

A “Caputo” insults Chinese.  The HBDers are doubly offended.

It’s Der Movement, from the Tinfoil Hat Kevin’s sweaty fetishist blog:

The test cannot even detect individual kinds of coronavirus, it only detects genetic material, which could be quite likely exosomes.

Sure!  Exosomes from human cells that just, like, you know, happen to contain RNA that matches that of a coronavirus.  It’s a coincidence!   We’ll skip over the antibody tests as well.

No electron microscope photograph of a ‘novel’ virus has ever been presented.

Another Der Movement lie (putting “Der Movement” and “lie” in the same sentence is a redundancy).

Has anyone seen one?

Yes, they have.  

Wrong, wrong, they’re always, always, always, always, always, always, ALWAYS wrong. Here we see the typical bombastic “movement” statement that is not only wrong, but so obviously wrong that the true facts can be quickly determine with about 30 seconds (or less) of Google searching (one is reminded on Muscleman Mangan’s breathlessly smug assertion that “most Italian Americans are of northern Italian descent” – an obviously ludicrous error easily identified as such by about 30 microseconds of information gathering)..

Reject the hex, better sane than suckered.

I agree.  Be sane, reject Der Movement.  Don’t get suckered, don’t give a money to those lying grifters.

How I loathe Der Movement and its bold declarations of obvious error and confused stupidities.

We can summarize the three pillars of “movement” stupidity – bad judgment, complete ignorance of subject matter, and paranoid ideation.  All three have been on display with Der Movement’s decades-old lies about Ancient Rome (and Greece) and their refusal to admit being wrong. We’ve had sterling examples of those three pillars over the last few days. Thus:

Bad judgment – after four years of constant empty blustering and broken promises from Trump, Greg Johnson immediately declares victory with Trump’s meaningless “immigration ban,” mocking “wignats” for not accepting this wonderful victory.  And within a day (!) the other shoe (predictably) dropped, and Johnson himself was mocked:

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@zuccmeister

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@NewRightAmerica

I knew this would age poorly but it’s hilarious that it spoiled so quickly.

Complete ignorance of subject matter – a TOO poster/commentator (see above) declares The China Plague a possible hoax because the “genetic material” is likely from “exosomes.”  And that ignorance about basic molecular and cellular biology is followed by the bald-faced lie that there has been no electron microscopy of the virus and that no one has seen one.  

Paranoid ideation – “Stronza” tells us that shortly after the end of the lockdown, all non-human animal life will be wiped off the face of the Earth, everything, all non-human life that moves will be destroyed by “bullets flying everywhere.” Those of you not familiar with “Stronza” from Counter-Currents comments threads can be forgiven for thinking that statement was meant as comic trolling; unfortunately, it was all too serious. I won’t even get into “movement” drivel about Bill Gates and “microchipped vaccines.”

There is ZERO – absolute zero – chance that the “movement” can attract and maintain sane, rational, logical, intelligent, empiricist individuals as long as Der Movement specializes in memes and paradigms based upon those three pillars.