Nordicist Confessions Part I

An initial reply.

An individual who runs the Nordicist Confessions blog commented on my Gab account and as promised I present an initial response. I would first like to distinguish Nordicism from a healthy interest that Northern Europeans would have in the ethnic/subracial interests of Northern Europeans and Northern European ethnies. Nordicism is a supremacist ideology with strong animus toward non-Nordic peoples, particularly non-Nordic Europeans (and more especially Southern Europeans), often coupled with Afrocentric-like “poaching” of the history and accomplishments of other people’s past civilizations.

In contrast, a normal and healthy interest in your group's well-being is obviously not supremacism (a point many people do not understand with respect to White nationalism vs. White supremacism). I also would like to point out that every group has its strengths and weaknesses, more or less of each in some cases than in others, and it is normal and healthy for any group, including Northern Europeans, to note and take pride in the strengths and accomplishments of their group. Contrary to the claims of my critics, I have never asserted that all Europeans are fungible and that differences between them do not exist.  But Nordicism is not merely the recognition of difference, but instead makes intra-White differences into a disjunctive, existential, animus-driven “us vs. them” mentality among the European family of peoples. 

Here is the Gab comment and my response:

You fail to take into account the motivation for the Asiaphilia and Medophobia of many Nordicists. East Asian men are not seen as a sexual threat to most Nordicists, particularly those Nordicists who are lower status and consider Asian women a viable alternative. 

To the extent that is true for some people, it suggests that their claim to support preservationism is a fig leaf for sexual anxiety. After all, mating with Asians will negatively affect Nordic traits more than mating with Southern Europeans, yet these people would "consider Asian women a viable alternative." Note that I have previously suggested that HBD is to a large extent motivated by sexual fixations on (East) Asian women, although I haven’t directly connected that sexual fixation to Nordicism.

South Asian men, however, given their greater height and higher level of testosterone than East Asian men, are generally seen as a greater threat. 

Interestingly, Nordicists today seem more amenable to South Asians than to Southern Europeans, perhaps for reasons discussed below (i.e. Southern European  “relative ease in blending” and acceptance in a White ethnostate, see below).

Southern European men, however, are generally regarded as White but have phenotypic traits that are perceived as dominant. Thus, their relative ease in blending in yet genetically somewhat distinct and dominant traits are the cause for concern. 

The “narcissism of minor differences” that I have noted may be in part due to: “Southern European men, however, are generally regarded as White but have phenotypic traits that are perceived as dominant. Thus, their relative ease in blending in yet genetically somewhat distinct and dominant traits are the cause for concern.” This is something I have suspected. Thus, Southern Europeans are viewed as the greater danger compared to non-Whites since they combine a “relative ease in blending” with “genetically somewhat distinct and dominant traits” so the probability of admixture is much greater, even if the effects of that admixture are less (compared to non-Whites). In other words, being European, and considered as White to most people outside of the "movement," Southern Europeans are much more likely to be accepted and assimilated in the White Diaspora than are the various Colored peoples (although the consequences of the admixture would be, on a per capita basis, less). Further, in a pan-European nationalist scheme, the non-Whites would be gone and no longer a threat, while the Southern Europeans would remain, no doubt a rationale for the extreme Nordicist hostility toward pan-European politics.

Not addressing this primal fear that low-status Nordicist men have is thus derailing your message. The fear is real, whether you acknowledge it or not.

I have addressed some of this in the past (see below). The problem is that I am somewhat constrained here – Nordicists would reject my arguments (and have done so) as “self-interested propaganda from an omnidominant Med who wants sexual access to Nordic women.” On the other hand, if I say, truthfully, that I have never dated/mated with Northern European women, then that also would be turned against me – I’m not “assimilated.”  So, I lose either way.  Better the argument comes from people like Nordicist Confessions (although I do suggest “what to do?, below).

East Asians are not regarded as a threat precisely because it is their women who are primarily getting poached. Thus, while from a genetic standpoint this is still miscegenation, from a psychological standpoint it does not *feel* like conquest to Nordicists because White-Asian pairings are almost exclusively White male-Asian female.

Although these various concerns are inter-related, it is important to distinguish concern with the phenotypic effects of admixture with that of male sexual competition for women. In the first instance, that of phenotype, all of those nice East Asian women are obviously a much greater threat than are Southern Europeans. After all, Southern Europeans are European, with “Caucasoid” physical traits, and are in fact often heterozygous for recessive traits (particularly eye color). This heterozygosity is a big difference compared to NECs who, in some cases, may have similar complexions to Southern Europeans, but are much more likely to be homozygous for dominant phenotypic traits. Meanwhile, East Asians are a phenotypically (and genetically of course) completely different race, all homozygous for dark hair and eyes, and with heritable traits incompatible with “Caucasoid” features. Of course, I am more interested in genetic interests, and here the impacts are directly related to relative genetic distance. On the other hand, considering the sexual situation, sexual competition would be based on relative accessibility to females, and the tropism of White males, particularly Nordics, for Asian females is well known, as well as is the stereotype of “darker” males having a fixation for Nordic females. I of course understand that these concerns run together, so the overall concern is anxiety about sexual competition combined with concerns about the physical outcome of mating between more recessive females and more dominant males. However, even though, psychologically, it all runs together, the distinction between the concerns should not be forgotten. I understand that the distinction is somewhat addressed above: "...while from a genetic standpoint this is still miscegenation, from a psychological standpoint it does not *feel* like conquest..."  However, the distinction still needs to be underscored, as it is crucial.

I should add that most Nordic men are not Nordicists. Nordicists tend to be, by their nature, more interested in HBD, a subculture that clearly attracts men with lower testosterone, because higher testosterone young men are too busy playing beer pong and banging chicks to worry about these theoretical matters as a general rule. This mental affinity partly explains the Nordicist-HBD alliance.

Most people of every group are not so focused on group activism. In my case, I was always a racist (or racialist, if you prefer), but before my involvement with the “movement," my main identity was that of “White American.” I of course knew and acknowledged my ethnic identity, but it was not something of much relevance at that time. Only after the “movement” alerted me that these issues of ethnicity and subrace were of such great importance within Der Movement, at least to the Nordicist faction, did I develop, in a defensive manner, more of a realization of, and focus on, being a “swarthoid.” But it is true that sometimes we who are immersed in the “movement” milieu sometimes forget that many or most people outside of the “movement” care little for these issues – even many "normies" who are concerned about race in the broadest sense don’t obsess over intra-racial differences and issues.

Consistent with the issue of sexual anxiety, in the early 2000s I wrote a post for the Legion Europa site about Nordicist accusations of Med vs. Nord cuckoldry and mate poaching (i.e., Med men were cuckolding Nordic men and Med men were “poaching” Nordic women for long-term relationships, including marriage); my argument was based in part on Salter's "blank slate hypothesis." Unfortunately, I do not have that essay anymore, and I am not sure if it is online anywhere. I don't dismiss the concerns indicated above; the question is what to about it. These problems should be a concern only in Euro diaspora nations like the USA.  As far as I am concerned, European nations should be absolutely ethnically homogeneous.

With respect to my Legion Europa argument, Salter’s blank slate hypothesis suggested that (contra Frost and his idea of sexual selection of scarce males picking females with specific fair coloration), recessive genetic characteristics evolved as an anti-cuckoldry mechanism, so that more dominant traits from a biological father would be observed by the cuckolded recessive man via the traits in the offspring. Thus, if two blonde-haired, blue-eyed people are married and the woman gives birth to a dark-haired, dark-eyed infant, cuckoldry could be detected. Other types of recessive traits could be also used for this purpose, although coloration is most obvious. There are some flaws in this argument – e.g., if coloration is the best marker, then why didn’t all groups evolve this, why was this type of phenotypic cuckoldry detection so important in some groups and not in others?  Also, cuckoldry between recessive men wouldn’t be detected by this mechanism, which would weaken its power once recessive traits became common in a population. Maybe Salter addressed these problems in his initial formulation of the hypothesis (that I no longer have), I do not know. My point at the time was that if Meds was so radically different from Nordics that they were unassimilable, then any alleged cuckoldry could be easily detected.  On the other hand, if the cuckoldry was easily hidden (as the Nordicist claims suggested), then how radically different could the Meds really be?  More generally, I examined data on intermarriage to attempt to show that there was not any large sex bias in who was the “more southern” partner in Nord-Med marriage. Insofar as I know, there isn’t really much direct data on this issue (if any direct data at all), and many assumptions, estimates, and projections need to be made (on both sides of the debate). There is of course good data with respect to inter-racial dating and marriage, but for intra-White, not so much.

I would like to point out that it would be unfair to ascribe all (or, in some cases, most or even many) racial, subracial, or ethnic interests and activism to sexual anxieties and “inceldom.” It may be true in a number of cases, and no doubt some degree of sexual anxiety informs such interests and activism, but people can and do have legitimate ethnoracial concerns It is important that we not ape the Left (or Greg Johnson) and pathologize people we disagree with (but to the extent that it is relevant, it should be mentioned).

What to do (in multi-ethnic nations like the USA)? We need to learn how to live together as European-Americans (or wherever in the Diaspora, not just the USA). No group's men should sexually “target” the women of any other group (via fetishization), but of course, “random” inter-European mating is to be expected, and if it occurs naturally and fairly across all boundaries, fine. Separation is possible; however, it has to be fair. I have objected, and continue to object, to Nordicist schemes that would combine a general White American state from which Southern Europeans would be excluded, with those Southern Europeans being herded off into powerless micro-state dependency nations, either alone or forced to live among various non-White groups (after all, the “wogs” are all alike).  My “take” is that if there are some who are not comfortable with a “White America” containing all European-Americans, then it is they who are uncomfortable who can spin off their own small ethnostate(s). Alternatively, let us make European nations racial nationalist and racially and ethnically homogeneous and then White Diaspora people can go back if necessary (putting aside issues of language, culture, and that the Europeans may well not want immigrant Americans, even if they are co-ethnics). But then we have the problem that so many European-Americans are ethnically mixed, and European nations are under no obligation to accept hybrids. This goes back to the idea that we may need to live together in the Diaspora, but allowances can be made for separation, with the onus of separation on those who feel they need it.

More:

This is not a big secret. Yes, there are scientific matters that can be debated. But as Greg Johnson noted, Nordic genes are recessive. I believe the Black Nationalist writer Francis Cress-Welsing...

Who I consider to be an anti-White racist.

...developed a theory about genetic annihilation and how it motivates White Supremacy. Considering that certain Caucasoid traits are recessive, her theory might have some validity. She also had a good debate with William Shockley on television.

There's a difference between "supremacy" and preservationism. Traits that can be eliminated by admixture can inform both attitudes. I am more concerned about genetic interests that affect everyone, regardless of dominant vs. recessive genes/traits - although for interests in functional genes one can make an argument that how the genes are expressed influences how they affect genetic interests (if the genes affect their own replication, and this is influenced by how they are expressed). 

It's no secret about recessive traits - even Stoddard wrote about that in The Rising Tide of Color. There's nothing wrong with honest preservationism and nothing in my writing should be construed as arguing against that. It is the extreme anti-Med animus and overall dishonesty in Nordicism that I object to.  

I think one Majority Rights dweeb penned an article many years ago mentioning how Southern European men in prison were not attacked or raped as much as Northern European men. 

I believe the reference is to Jim Bowery.

This type of stupidity should give readers a hint to the insecurities some of these low-t men have. I'd go as far as to say in the real world most Nordic men would not want to associate with these types.

Well, to be fair, most Whites would look askance at my views (I'm not particularly high-t myself in my estimation).

With the rise of hypergamy in recent decades, women's preferences have shifted to high-t men, particularly in their younger years. Maybe with your age you are not fully aware of this trend. 

Well, I'm not in the dating scene, but I can observe younger family members. 

You might want to address how the HBD movement attracts low-t men. It may be painful for the IQ worshippers to admit, but high IQs generally correlate with "beta" traits. 

I don't know.  MacDonald's HBD-Nordicism sort of accepts this to an extent, although I'm sure he would not formulate the concept precisely the same as that. The fact is that the upper echelon in quality of racial activists - and I'll most humbly put myself in that category - are going to be high IQ, low-t types, although perhaps in some cases more "sigma" than "beta." I'll agree that Asian-worshipping HBDers fit into what you describe.

Women are generally not flocking to Nordicist HBDers, or HBDers generally. 

Or to people like me. Or to racial activists in general.

You might also want to address the Nordicism prevalent in the http://incels.is forum. 

I have no doubt it exists. But I don't to pathologize all racial concerns as deriving from sexual anxiety.  There are legitimate concerns as well.

To be fair, I don't think Nordic alpha males or even most Nordics see Mediterranean (or any other) men as a threat.

Likely true. But perception and reality are not always the same thing.  I'm not defending Nordicism but it is true that people - particularly Whites - are not very good at identifying what is or is not a true threat. I myself do not think the primary threat to Nordic Europeans is coming from non-Nordic Europeans. Both groups are indeed threatened, but not by each other (in any fundamental, existential manner).

More to come about this issue, no doubt.

One correction:

As a mega-successful Italian-American who is a podcast host and UFC color commentator, Rogan is a great model for young men. When he says “man up!”, young men should listen.

Joe Rogan is not Italian. He is a hybrid. Irish are not Italian. I also think that Rogan is, in general, an unmitigated idiot who doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about half the time.