Odds and Ends, 7/10/22

In der news.

I have said it before and I'll say it again: If the HBD Nordicists really believed their dogma about significant intra-European differences in individualism vs. collectivism, universalism vs. ethnocentrism, and out-group altruism vs. xenophobia, then they would recognize the incoherence, and the danger, of deriving the leadership of (American at least) pro-White activism exclusively from the ranks of the more individualist, universalist, and out-group altruist White ethnic groups and focusing recruitment on those groups, while rejecting and alienating the more collectivist, ethnocentric, and xenophobic White ethnic groups. But, alas, the dogma is merely a technic to instrumentally utilize HBD rhetoric to reinvigorate moribund Nordicist doctrine. Practical consistency is therefore irrelevant.

The moronic HBD Nordicist Kool-Aid continues to get rejected by insightful commentators, this from Counter-Currents:

DorfmannJuly 1, 2022 at 5:32 pm

“…tend to be Western or Northern European white, which is the least tribal and most individualistic group of people on the planet.”

Ever heard of the Law of Jante?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

See this from the same comments thread, as a reply to the comment above:

VauquelinJuly 3, 2022 at 3:08 am

Great point. I’m not sure what the basis is for the American claim that whites are uniquely individualistic. Europeans who read this site will understand that individualism is actually about as common here in the white homeland as it is in Asian countries. Not very. Adherence to the societal norm and the established system is paramount and anyone who tries to deviate is subject to a campaign of being cut down. This is actually the primary weapon against dissidents: total conformity, a lack of individualism, the branding of dissidents as being deviants, and against the prevailing moral code. I believe this is the case even in America. The downfall of the white race is not our allegedly unique individualism, but our collective adherence to a moral code that was foisted on us by our racial enemies.

HBD Nordicism is nonsense.

For better or worse, one of the long term consequences of Trump was to get Der Movement interested in mainstream politics. Back in the days of WN 1.0 (for those of you new to the Far Right who may not know this) Der Movement was more or less completely aloof from mainstream (electoral) politics; it was all considered an irrelevant Jew-controlled fraud, a bread-and-circuses distraction. The remnants of WN 1.0 today - such as the ghost of the National Alliance - still essentially follows that attitude, eschewing an interest in real world politics in favor of "thinking long term." However, WN 2.0 and 3.0 are interested in mainstream politics, and this also extends to pop culture and other practical immersions. I would say it is both good and bad. You have to be involved in the real world to affect the real world, but on the other hand, getting distracted by details is a problem, and Trump worship was a dead end cul-de-sac. To the extent right-wing populism is a force and can be leveraged to promote explicit pro-Whiteness then an interest in (electoral) politics is good, but if we slide back into pure cuckservatism, that should be immediately ditched. One side note - the interest in mainstream politics was not only because of Trump - there was some WN 2.0 interest even in the 2012 Presidential election. Part of it is a generational and ideological gulf from WN 1.0 (as well as the shock of having a Black President); but Trump accelerated the process and made it a viable and entrenched feature of the "new WN."

In Caesar's The Gallic Wars we read:

Did those pygmy Romans, with their feeble hands and puny muscles (the Gauls, as a rule, despise our short stature, contrasting it with their own great height), believe themselves able to mount such a ponderous tower on the wall?

Most curious. Der Movement tells us (against all of the actual archaeogenetics data) that the Romans of the Republic - Caesar's era for example - were Northern European Nordics, racially akin to the Gauls (and Germans). And yet, we see a Roman author, and a patrician no less (Roman patricians allegedly being especially Nordic), making what is essentially a racial contrast between taller (Northern European) Gauls and smaller (Southern European) Romans, and, indeed, using "our" to describe "short stature." Most curious indeed.

It would seem that the runty Morlock vs. towering Eloi distinction existed during the time of "Nordic Rome," eh?

Dealing with the Children of God. Now, if a White police officer, with badge and gun, has so much trouble dealing with Blacks and Hispanics, imagine how it is for an ordinary White civilian living in those neighborhoods. Experto crede.

Animal analogies (eschewing the obvious simian ones) for urban Blacks and Hispanics:

• American Blacks = Pit Bulls
• West Indian Blacks = highly aggressive Dobermans
• Puerto Ricans = cockroaches
• Dominicans = horseflies
• Mexicans = mosquitos

In response to this imbecilic white knighting post, commentators Gallantry, Bernie, and Don rightly object. Guess what, milady and her supporters? Everyone gets attacked online. I for example am labeled an "insane paranoid piece of shit" by a prominent "movement" "leader." If milady can't take the rough and tumble of online culture, then leave. Instead we get menstrual whining and huffing and puffing from an inane Anglomaniac.

And he promotes and defends a leftist stupid bitch who made the following argument with a straight (horse) face. After domestic opposition to her Disinformation Board argued that the board would target domestic opposition by labeling it as "disinformation," her response was to state that this domestic opposition to her Disinformation Board was - you guessed it - disinformation.

You just can't make this stuff up.

ScottJuly 2, 2022 at 6:34 pm

Unstable Hard Leftist Loser acting alone is exactly my take on it.

Way too much ink has been spilled on dumb conspiracy theories about shooting the beloved Kennedys.

I consider the Kennedys to be rich activist Libtards of the worst sort. What I find hard to believe is the uncritical deification of them by both the Left and the Kosher Right.

Harder to believe is the Kennedy worship on the Far Right. Is it because JFK was a "Nordish Brunn?" Or that the Kennedys today do anti-vaxx nonsense? The Kennedy's were and are the worst type of filthy scum.

Camelot? Given their sexual escapades, Cumalot is more like it.

The problem with this analysis (which does have some value) is that people can be an even mix of these categories. Based on the description, I am strongly progressive in some areas, strongly conservative in others. This leads me to believe that while the author is on the right track in looking for fundamental underlying attributes that influence activism, the progressive vs. conservative divide is not the fundamental divide. Something else is. What that may be will require some deep consideration.

True enough, the author of that piece cites a number of caveats, including one that seems to overlap my criticism:

Additionally, most people are at neither extreme, and many have some traits associated with each archetype.

True, but my criticism goes deeper than that. I'm asserting that the progressive vs. conservative dichotomy is one of a number of more superficial distinctions than derive from a deeper, heretofore unidentified core distinction that is more fundamental. Therefore, there exist people who cannot be binned even as just a bit more progressive or conservative, because there is a deeper identity that for some people can manifest as a completely blurred, more or less even, mix of progressive and conservative traits. 

Another issue is that the motivations of the other side can be complex as well, meaning that both the progressive and conservative Far Right views have merit, which is one reason I partake of both in more or less equal measure. Take COVID for example. Both Far Right views of the COVID issue may be equally true at the same time - the virus is real and a real threat and the System attempted to deal with the threat, albeit in typically inept and politically correct fashion AND at the same time the System utilized the crisis to grab more power and act against the interests of Whites and against nationalist-populist principles. It is possible for people to have complex motives and agendas that consist of equal measure of problem-solving and destructive self-interested power-grabbing. It does not have to be one or the other.

However, I will praise the author for bringing forth an interesting thesis and stimulating a much needed conversation.

The usual suspects want to ascribe Crimo's actions to "White supremacism" or "anti-Semitism" at a time when there is no proof for either. Regardless of his ostensible motivation, the real underlying reason for all of these shootings is the deep alienation of people, particularly the young, in "our" fragmented, trust-no-one, "Bowling Alone," "diverse" multicultural America. It is a sick society and it makes mentally weak people "go postal."

Now, the youth respond to this with their cowardly generational warfare bullshit, blaming it all on "Boomers," rather than pointing the finger at the real culprits - the Jews, their SJW globalist High Truster junior partners, and their Colored pets. The dastardly Boomers were hoodwinked into thinking that voting for Nixon and Reagan would solve the problem and save the country. Instead, Tricky Dick have them busing and affirmative action, and Ronnie Raygun gave them illegal alien amnesty, mass immigration, MLK holiday, and the entrenchment of the Left into government and academia.

At worst, the Boomers were stupidly naive.

Der Movement meets the Mafia?  See from 10:53-11:30. I know this is only an anecdote about a single person, but let us consider it regardless.  First, I see no reason why someone would make something like that up, so let us consider it real.  Interesting that someone heavily involved as an agent of the System – not a Far Right activist – has a strong WASP identity.  Certain, not someone “deracinated” in that sense, contra all the “movement” dogma about that.  Would she have said the same thing to a Negro or a Jew?  Doubtful.  It seems the WASP identity is focused on opposition to the “small brained” (listen to the rest of Gravano’s story about the woman) White ethnic.  After all, Gravano is not a “court Jew,” potential Asian daughter-in-law, or some pet Negro or Hispanic.

I am a practical-minded person.  Therefore, ultimately, what it is about is - what kind of future society do we want? So, instead of only debating abstract principles (fine in itself, but incomplete) and getting bogged down in semantics, the ultimate question is - if you were to win and was able to construct society according to your beliefs, what precisely would that society look like?  We need more discussion about this among activists - all activists - instead of always focusing on abstractions.

I of course oppose and denounce the retraction of MacDonald's paper. I oppose censorship. If the work is wrong, the refute it. If it is not wrong, then it must remain regardless. Ironically enough, the fact that the paper was retracted supports MacDonald’s thesis on the Jews and supports MacDonald in his debate with Cofnas.