Two Useful Comments

The White identity and ethnic questions.

From this (not an endorsement of that post nor the site it is on), two useful contributions from commentators:

calgacus

July 5, 2021 at 8:15 am

Some may identify with their nation because some Europeans are not considered white. The main stream created some of the “non-white European” narratives, but we also have the people behind the nordicist-HBD ideas being responsible for this situation. If you are from a territory east of Vienna or South of Vienna, your whiteness is questioned by someone somewhere. Ted Sallis from “EGI notes” blog talked many times about this topic.

Southern Italians are half-Arab. Albanians and Greeks are Turkish halflings. Romanians are Asiatic gypsies, while Hungarians are Mongoloids. Let’s not forget the Slavic sub-humans. Oh, we also have the Siberian Finns and Sami.

Of course I am joking, but it’s probably not that hard to find some of these descriptions in white nationalist circles. You also have these east of Hajnal line Europeans calling each other various names due to historical grievances (or should I say due to past or current bankers’ wars). As a Romanian, it’s probably not hard to find people that question my whiteness (maybe even my Europeanness ).

We also have some Eurasian psyops. Russians are the biggest target of this Eurasian psyops. In Hungary we also see the promotion of Turanism, which is another type of Eurasian psyop. These eurasian ideas are promoted to convince certain groups that they are not European, so instead they should look towards Asia.

With the Brexit, now I even see Brits in internet comments saying that they are not European. We may see other managed EU exits. Behind these EU exits and euro-skepticism there is probably an agenda of creating a bad connotation for the word “European” in the minds of Europeans. There are so many psyops against the concept of being “European” and also against the concept of what it means to be “white”.

I agree with that completely. Please note: "there is probably an agenda of creating a bad connotation for the word “European” in the minds of Europeans. There are so many psyops against the concept of being “European” and also against the concept of what it means to be “white." That's coming from the Right as well as the Left, and fits in with aspects of Anglocentric Nordicism (Andrew Fraser as well as Desmond Jones' stupidity that "the White race is a twentieth century Jewish construct") as well as petty nationalist ethnonationalist division (Yockey's Culture Retardation), Nordicism including HBD-Nordicism, etc. Anything and everything to divide Europeans against each other is grist for the mill.

Burgerstan Respecter

July 5, 2021 at 4:20 pm

Euros only seem to understand their situation, which is living in countries where the overwhelming majority of Whites in it are all the same ethnicity.

They make fun of Americans for being mutts, but then can’t put 2 and 2 together to grasp that anything other than ‘White Identity’ would be politically useless in a country of white ethnic groups that have intermixed, where it is quite rare to find someone of exclusively one ethnicity.

“oh no you shouldn’t identify as a White American! That’s a heckin Z*G abomination! You should instead identify specifically as a Norweigian- Italian-French-Ukranian person, this is much more politically useful :^)”

I imagine much of this is seeded by g*y NGOs and Feds but also carried by endless capacity for online RWers to repeat shitlib talking points as long they are repackaged to appear ‘based’.

I discuss this often.  Non-American Whites, especially Europeans, have zero understanding of race and ethnicity in America. Europeans love to aver that Americans don't understand Europe but the reverse is more true. To Europeans, or to Canadian-Australian Anglocentrics like Fraser, it is always 1910 in America.  They cannot grasp that most White Americans are of mixed European ethnicity and that an ethnic-based identity for Whites in America is an outdated joke (for that and other reasons).

Now, I don't want to be an "insane paranoid piece of crap" but haven't you noticed that HBD, which says that White ethnics are stupid, became popular among Herrenvolk in Der Movement at the same time that significant numbers of White ethnics started joining Der Movement?

The influx of White ethnics into the "movement" was met not only by the rise of HBD but with a resurgence of Nordicism. It is as if Der Movement's immune system became activated by a perceived invasion of "alien microbes." Patler, Tommasi, the current situation - the same story occurs again and again. The problem is intractable, since Der Movement had its genesis with Anglo nativism, Nordicism, Grant and Stoddard, and the 1920s anti-Catholic Klan. We need a New Movement.